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Bikes will be hitting the dealers starting this week :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: My kawi insider just gave me the news ...


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Are you picking one up Lee? :?:

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Are you picking one up Lee? :?:
Hummmmm lol you never know ... :vroom:


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Glad someone else mentioned it. I didn't want to make any presumptions. ;) .

If so, that's really cool. and I do think it's the next chapter on where you should go.
What color is it? heh.

I mean, the 14r was probably about as quick as it was going to get w a stock lump, n/a.
Sure a perfect day could have netted a tenth or so, but how long - and how many chances would it have taken to get it there?

Lots more "new" stuff to try and do with the H2's.

And I hope you keep us updated along the way. The rest of us can live vicariously through you.


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Rockn'roll! Fired up and to the dyno, yes Sir.
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Tsaki wrote:
Rockn'roll! Fired up and to the dyno, yes Sir.
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I see no numbers.


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Here you are, enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=809968289041159
No cheap horses on this Dynostar dyno, Dynojet i250 is much easier if you look numbers.


Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:20 am
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197 hp & 124 tq

did I read that right?

nice.

no wonder KAWI didnt release any dyno results.


Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:38 pm
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Tsaki wrote:
No cheap horses on this Dynostar dyno, Dynojet i250 is much easier if you look numbers.

True, the Dynostar dynos read a little lower than Dynojets (I've had my bike on both), but the video numbers are showing Din hp.
This is a higher number to SAE hp.
Both will pretty much cancel out.
197hp is hardly overwhelming but peak hp is only part of the story!
What's more concerning is that peak torque!
124 NM
That's 91 ft-lb !
I thought Superchargers were meant to be torque monsters!
I smell a rat!


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Engine power was 219hp. ZX14R push 200hp engine at stock, same dyno.
But wait, there is more...a lot more coming soon.

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Nice ... bad boy !!! :clap:


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Great noises right there...... :mrgreen: And these numbers are with stock exhaust....a pipe should change things for the better.... :thumbs:

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http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f94/kawasak ... ost3713849


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193 hp.



I didnt see 219 on that other one.

what's going on?


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Rwhp H2 197hp and 124Nm
Rwhp ZX14R 181hp and 147Nm
Both stock, same Dynostar dyno.

219hp was std enginepower H2.

And my ZX14R Monster Unlimited E85 beast push 221hp rearwheel, same dyno.

But this new H2 is nothing you have ever ride, it is really beast! Numbers dont really tell true.
My 221rwhp ZX14R feels very slow compare to H2. You wont be disapointed, i promise!


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I agree power delivery can make or break a bike. Especially in how it feels and how fun it is to ride.

My friend sold his modded '01 FZ1 that probably made 125-130HP and 75ish TQ because it didn't give him the feel and power delivery he wanted. The low end still wasn't there, and it had a light switch power band at 9000 that made it a lot of work to ride. He ended up on a triumph street triple r that only makes about 100 hp and 50 tq, but the triple's power delivery and tq curve is WAY more fun to ride. Is it faster? not in a straight line.

My gut feeling is.... There is no way an H2 (in stock form) that makes about the same power and LESS TQ everywhere at the same basic weight as a decently modded zx14r will outrun it. It will be fun, different, and fast; no doubt. BUT nothing really revolutionary for those of us that ride a gen 2 14r. Especially at 10K more money. So anyone that's drinking the coolaide better face the fact that these bikes aren't going to destroy all comers, especially the newest BMW, R1, 1299 and such that also are going to be near 200hp and undercut the weight of the H2 by almost 90#.

HOWEVER, we do know that these bike are really restricted in stock H2 form. The link I posted about RG's H2(r) showed a baseline of about 237/110. JUST the extra revs (and more boost, obviously) - brought it to 277/115, and , some tuning and high test fuel kicked it up to 301/116. NOW we are talking. Keep in mind his has cams and different head gaskets and such. So even with just the reg cams and stuff, once modded; it will be good. Probably within 25hp of those tuned numbers.

And please don't think I'm bashing the H2. I love it. Would I buy one? no way. I cant justify the extra coin they are asking, and then to have to mod it to get the performance I would want out of it, wouldn't work for me. Would I love to ride one? Oh hell yes. and hopefully further testing will prove some of what I'm saying is wrong. It just doesn't look like it in - as delivered - form.


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Dont judge until you have ride it. Or have you?
Now i understand all hype around it.


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Dont judge until you have ride it. Or have you?
Now i understand all hype around it.


Cool.

no, havent ridden it

maybe if KAWI would give some demo rides I'd be interested.

I guess they arent really interested in selling many.


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and no, I haven't ridden one either. I probably wont ever see one on the road, or in person.

I get that its supercharged motor will be unique to ride. and offer a completely different experience. One that maybe only Turbo big bore bike riders have experienced. But even they might not equate to the same experience as this new supercharged bike.

However, I honestly think numbers don't lie. In STOCK, as delivered form; it can "feel" totally different. More exiting, bigger power surge as revs climb, supercharged top end rush. BUT I'm willing to bet that its not any quicker/faster than a full bolt on zx14r. In the 1/4 mile, for sure. "Maybe" it gets to the mile quicker/faster? Oh wait, that wont happen either - in stock form. ;) . Unless its not limited to 186 like all the other bikes are these days. (anyone know if its got a top speed limiter?)

Like I alluded to with my friend and his fz1 vs street triple r. easily 25 or 30 rwhp between them, and 50% more Tq.
The triple wins the day in terms of feel and how much better it is to ride; but at the end of the day its still slower in a straight line.

Say what you want about how the H2 seems to be when in the seat....
I'm almost certain that a full bolt on 14r that makes 205+ rwhp and 118-121 rwtq WILL keep up just fine with a stock H2 that makes about 200rwhp and less tq everywhere. The H2 weigh what? 530 pounds? Not light enough to get away.

I realize it might not be exactly fair for me to compare a full bolt on bike to a stock machine. But we all do these mods eventually. At least the guys that will be looking for the new performance king will. So for Kawi to charge what they do, it needs to be "king of the hill". Or better yet, "Built Beyond Belief". and not by a little. The same 200rwhp you get out of a 3 year old zx14r - isn't that.

I honestly expected out of the box numbers to be more like the 235-260 range that Rickey Gadsons hybrid delivered. 40-50 hp more than an average stock 14r (185) would have been the sweet spot.

Again, once modded? H2... all day long.


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Yes, there is speedlimiter.

ZX14R with AH2 and all basic mods, custom tuned by Woolich (no pc sh#t) makes around 190hp normally, in our dyno. Best so far 194rwhp. So if you look only numbers, stock H2 pulls 197rwhp just out of box.

But, you should see my friends face after first testride :)
And he is couple times national champ here ProSB class dragrace.
Power deliver is nothing you can imagine. Ugh! I have spoken.
Have a nice weekend folks!


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so it may feel more like a first gen zx-10 or a 2 stroke hit?

Is that the difference in "feel" you're talking about?

I can dig that.

In fact that's what puts the bigger grin on my face when riding the ten than the fourteen......that & a hundred less pounds

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but , judging by all the hype, I was really hoping & expecting something in the 240-260 hp range.....


something that honda, suzuki & yamaha couldnt match or exceed in the next couple years.

BTW: someone on another forum is claiming there's an agreement, like the 186 top speed limit, to limit stock HP to < 200. Id never heard anything like that. any truth to it?


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Correct, there is topspeedlimiter. Needs to get flashing ecu, hopefully soon. Or if not possible, then use h2r ecu.
We have ridden 300hp bigblock naturally aspirated bikes to 600hp turbos, non of those can match power delivery as H2 makes it.
It is so instant and that torque! Hard to believe after seen dynonumbers, makes me think if all is not showing at dyno. But you understand me after you have test it.


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I'm willing to bet there is a 200 self inflicted limit on the bike manufacturer's. Or at least what they will publish, is 200hp.

Take a look at the 14's. power rating in the manual.

gen one page 1-10
142.0 kW (193 PS) @9 500 (rpm)
WVTA (78.2 H) 78.2 kW (106 PS) @8 000 (rpm)
(MY), (SEA) 140.0 kW (190 PS) @9 000 (rpm)

and gen two page 1-9
Max HP 147.2KW (200PS) @ 10,000 RPM
WVTA (78.2H) 78.2KW (106PS) @ 8500 RPM

ZX10r same thing page 1-11
147.1 KW (200ps) @ 13000 rpm
WVTA 78.2H 111KW (15PS) @ 10000 rpm

They are VERY CLEARLY trying to give the rating at which 200 hp is the max.

Gen 1 14's had a rev limit of what? 10,600K? 14r's are 11K? My 14r made peak power right about 11K rpm. So the factory manual rating at 200PS @ 10K is just that. the max rpm where 200hp occurred. They didn't want to give the ratings above 10K where it would have been more.

Plus, we know for a fact that a 14r makes MORE than just 7hp above a gen 1 zx14. the 15-20 hp dyno differences show that.

2011 ZX10r has a us rev limit of 11500, but we know they make more power up near 13K.

With all the manufacturer's hovering around or just under 200hp, I'd say there must be a reason. After all, if you could come out and blow through the 200 rating first; wouldn't you do it? I mean, why wouldn't the company make big headlines with WE have the first 205hp liter bike. etc etc. NO, they are all 199, 200, 197 or 198 (IE bmw, duc, new R1, etc).


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Remember, 197 is stock. Bolt-on parts and its 300-400hp. Try to do that another bike.


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Nice thread :bigthumb:


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Tsaki wrote:
Remember, 197 is stock. Bolt-on parts and its 300-400hp. Try to do that another bike.



how does kawi justify $50,000 for the R model?


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Tsaki wrote:
Remember, 197 is stock. Bolt-on parts and its 300-400hp. Try to do that another bike.



how does kawi justify $50,000 for the R model?
You can always go buy a Buggati, it's price is a bargain.

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They justify it because the guys that will buy it can drop that kind of money (50K) on one - the same way you might drop a .50c piece down a sewer grate and go "oh well". Its all relative.


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"but , judging by all the hype, I was really hoping & expecting something in the 240-260 hp range....."...already accomplished;)Without breakin the bank.


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Don't know what to make of this vid. Poor rider? Wheelie control active killing power? More HP doesn't always mean faster if you can't harness it. Races were fairly short too and not in the best place to do that type of thing. Rider weight make that big a difference? 150 BMW vs. 220 H2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYI5-EN ... e=youtu.be


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Don't know what to make of this vid. Poor rider? Wheelie control active killing power? More HP doesn't always mean faster if you can't harness it. Races were fairly short too and not in the best place to do that type of thing. Rider weight make that big a difference? 150 BMW vs. 220 H2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYI5-EN ... e=youtu.be
Yes, rider weight makes a huge difference in racing.

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I'm not trying to take anything away from the Beemer, those bikes are FAST. But look at the gorilla on the H2 :lol:

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Wheelie wrote:
I'm not trying to take anything away from the Beemer, those bikes are FAST. But look at the gorilla on the H2 :lol:

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Lol!! That pic really puts it in perspective. He makes that bike look tiny! The proverbial gorilla humping a football look!


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I'd bet he weighs more than 220 :shock:

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Wheelie wrote:
I'm not trying to take anything away from the Beemer, those bikes are FAST. But look at the gorilla on the H2 :lol:

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Might be the same person, maybe?


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That's an upgrade fo sho. lol

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Wheelie wrote:
I'm not trying to take anything away from the Beemer, those bikes are FAST. But look at the gorilla on the H2 :lol:

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In another vid, the rider of the H2 says he is 235. So he outweighs the BMW guy by 85 lbs. Also, he says he has TC set to 1.

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Wheelie wrote:
I'm not trying to take anything away from the Beemer, those bikes are FAST. But look at the gorilla on the H2 :lol:

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In another vid, the rider of the H2 says he is 235. So he outweighs the BMW guy by 85 lbs. Also, he says he has TC set to 1.

Imagine what that race would look like if the H2 had the same rider weight on it. :dunno: and turned off the tc hehe

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:shock: :o
We could let my 105 lb wife give that H2 a try......might turn out a little different...... :D

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