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WOW H2RG-10 lol.

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8.20@166 is moving out!

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Just popped in to post a link, but Nasty beat me to it! :bigthumb: Wow....and warmer temps with a better track no doubt time's will lower...... :shock:

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Wonder what it ran stock wheelbase? :dunno:

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Made 292 whp on the dyno

Ran 9.16@160mph at stock wheelbase and 8.2@166.5mph with a stretch. http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/template ... 4&zoneid=2

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Thanks for posting Nasty.

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2015 stock wheel base ZX14R ( lowered only ) Vs Rickey's stock wheel base H2/H2R same day same track ..


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Thanks for posting Nasty.

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Yes sir!

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Rickeys bike on the dyno .. Sorry guys I have had all the numbers and time tickets and Dyno numbers for weeks ... But could not post them till Rickey did .. Gag orders from KHI and others .. :evil:

One thing I don't have is the numbers on the street H2 ..We will all have to wait for them ... :dunno:


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Lucky just called, he's on his way to Kawasaki City Irving. :lol:

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Lucky just called, he's on his way to Kawasaki City Irving. :lol:

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Tell him to STOP !!!! He can't buy what Rickey has ............ :fishslap: Rickeys bike is a one off bike ....


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Lucky just called, he's on his way to Kawasaki City Irving. :lol:

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Jokester, you are!

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Yep...thanks! :thumbs:

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2015 stock wheel base ZX14R ( lowered only ) Vs Rickey's stock wheel base H2/H2R same day same track ..



Thanks Lee.... :thumbs: Wow.....horsepower........look at that mph..... :o

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2015 stock wheel base ZX14R ( lowered only ) Vs Rickey's stock wheel base H2/H2R same day same track ..




$35,000 buys you 2/100th second?


wait. isnt gadson the bestest of the best?





hmmmmmmmmm.......................


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2015 stock wheel base ZX14R ( lowered only ) Vs Rickey's stock wheel base H2/H2R same day same track ..


Mph on the 14R sure is low in the 1/4 with it pulling over 124mph in the 1/8th...

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2015 stock wheel base ZX14R ( lowered only ) Vs Rickey's stock wheel base H2/H2R same day same track ..




$35,000 buys you 2/100th second?


wait. isnt gadson the bestest of the best?





hmmmmmmmmm.......................
290+ hp isn't easy to race at 57" wheelbase.

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290+ hp isn't easy to race at 57" wheelbase.

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No doubt.

granted it does come with launch control.

yet, I dont expect it's easy to run within 2/100th of RG running 292 hp

on a stock wheelbase zx-14R with almost 100 hp less either


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Impressive numbers :vroom:

Even with Adam's swingarm, and Rickey's height, (5'-11") it does look small, like a 600cc lol
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Standard apart from the mph not a real lot between them, Un lock it by throwing the same mods on both bikes and that H2R is really hauling ass in the back half and I doubt a 14 would get any where near 8.2's. He also made comment the track wasn't that great. A long way to go but maybe a 7 in there on the right day


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"Only 166mph" with 292whp, compare to Smokie 164mph, with about 200whp? :dunno: :dunno:


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Don't overlook the fact that the H2/r isn't seeing full throttle until 4th gear, the 14r can hit WOT in 1st. Rickey's words.

That should account for a big difference, once all the power can be used.


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Don't overlook the fact that the H2/r isn't seeing full throttle until 4th gear, the 14r can hit WOT in 1st. Rickey's words.

That should account for a big difference, once all the power can be used.



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Makes perfect sense that one can only go as quick as one can release the power available.....takes a drag racer to really know this....we all increment with seat time and many many runs....c'mon guys ya all know this.... :lol: :lol: Ricky is just getting started with the H2 .....H2 rocks.....gimme the money and I would have one also.... :mrgreen: Have fun spectating....here is the info on this obvious drama.... :D

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/12/11/on ... otorcycle/

I expect 7's myself....just have to wait....still not selling any of my three Ninjas...and this does not take away anything from the awesome ZX-14R..... :dunno: Just have fun.....


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If RG10 has a low 14r speed maybe the H2 speed is low?

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If RG10 has a low 14r speed maybe the H2 speed is low?

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His 14R pulled good mph in the 1/8 but the mph in the 1/4 seems much lower than it should be. Most that pull mid 120's in the 1/8 are pulling 150+(normally 152-155) in the 1/4.

Not disputing the H2/R being MAJORLY hampered by the short wheelbase coupled with mucho hp. I like that he used the 14r to give somewhat of a comparison to show what the H2/R is capable of. Just seems the 14r was not up to par in the 2nd half of the pass for some reason.

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1. 14R has more disadvantage from the factory when it comes to stock pipes I think.....which may explain in part why it did not perform better in the last half of the 1/4 mile ....

2. More wind resistance comes into play harder against the ZX-14R it as it makes so much less peak hp in comparison.....that supercharger is spinning at 140,000 rpm....makes for a great power band especially up on top speeds and it shows.....up to 60 mph even a normally aspirated 750 could stay with them under the right conditions....the big dogs stay and play longer...and harder.... :thumbs:


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1. 14R has more disadvantage from the factory when it comes to stock pipes I think.....which may explain in part why it did not perform better in the last half of the 1/4 mile ....



Horsepower is horsepower. The 14R makes 192rwhp with the stk exhaust. The hp it takes to pull a 14R to 124-125mph in the 1/8 with a 170something lb rider also pulls the same bike/rider to 150+ mph in the 1/4mi. I'm basing what I'm saying on what 14R's typically perform on the track. There are many reasons it would not pull what it should in the 2nd half of the track, but none were stated.

Sorry for getting off topic. I really wanna hear more about what the H2 and the H2r is capable of. I kind of dislike the fact that they are testing a hybrid that no one will be able to duplicate...

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Most runs referred to about the ZX-14R expecting 150 plus were made with aftermarket pipes.....stock pipes create a weaker powerband regardless of "peak" hp...thus partly explain why only 149 mph ....
(plus them pipes are very heavy as an added minus) .torque is what gets the bike out of the hole off the line...stock pipes can favor with more torque in the 1/8 mile better than last half....a typical trade off from "stock" to high output header exhaust.........if we need to get technical we need to measure the area under the powerband curve to mathematically calculate "total energy output" peak HP is a nice number but not all inclusive of the results....

hope this helps....I do not see a better answer anyways.....

As far as duplicating...I am happy to see Ricky's result...I don't see anything way out there we can't duplicate....way to early to draw empirical conclusions.....

Read the article in my above post from Ricky for referral....it has a lot of information...

Ricky stated:

It makes 292 horsepower to the rear wheel on pump gas. KHI is very smart. They are never going to run anything on the edge. When we checked the air-fuel ratio, it was 11.3 to 11.4. That’s how rich they had it. They had to make sure it’s safe enough for anybody who gets their hands on it to not blow it up. We knew from racing my turbo bike that we can lean it out quite a bit more than that. So we took the air-fuel ratio to about 12.2 and picked up 30 horsepower. With the leaner mixture and improved airflow, we went from 269 horsepower to 292. If you equate that to crankshaft horsepower, that would be around 320 horsepower
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My main concern with the H2 is whether it can be easily modified to put out like the H2R....from here I see it can be.... :thumbs: " just glad to see it happening.... 8-)


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It makes 292 horsepower to the rear wheel on pump gas

is he referring to his modded H2 ( street version) ?

if so, isnt that with different cams, exhaust, mapping, & I cant recall what all ? ( how much does it cost to make a special set of cams- since you cant buy H2R parts unless you own one) ?


and they are advertising the stock H2 @ 200 hp?

Im getting confused


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cant wait to get my h2 already order it be here some time in january


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A mate of mine has ordered a h2r and is already talking to the same suppliers as RG, I cant wait to see it they has told him march


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Not much being said about the clutch ? Sure would love to have a look. You guys hear anything ?


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Tell him to STOP !!!! He can't buy what Rickey has ............ :fishslap: Rickeys bike is a one off bike ....


Went there yesterday.
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I'm the one that decided "no."
Mechanic commented that it was a first for him to see that.
She's a keeper! :thumbs:

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Lucky just called, he's on his way to Kawasaki City Irving. :lol:

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Tell him to STOP !!!! He can't buy what Rickey has ............ :fishslap: Rickeys bike is a one off bike ....


Went there yesterday.
Wife said to put the deposit.
I'm the one that decided "no."
Mechanic commented that it was a first for him to see that.
She's a keeper! :thumbs:

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I'm not impressed at all. A true H2 (not a H2R cam, H2R exhaust, and H2R ECU) wouldn't have any advantages over a 14R. Do a true H2 test instead of some hybrid crap. I'm afraid that the truth is that the stock H2 was slower than the stock 14R. That wouldn't be good publicity. Especially when the 10R runs the same ET as the 14R. Is it neat? Sure. Worth it for a drag enthusiast? No...


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I'm not impressed at all. A true H2 (not a H2R cam, H2R exhaust, and H2R ECU) wouldn't have any advantages over a 14R. Do a true H2 test instead of some hybrid crap. I'm afraid that the truth is that the stock H2 was slower than the stock 14R. That wouldn't be good publicity. Especially when the 10R runs the same ET as the 14R. Is it neat? Sure. Worth it for a drag enthusiast? No...



seems the only logical reason they would not give out actual proven #'s and sell the crap out of them.

for myself, the bling factor just isnt worth the $19,000 more than i paid for my 192 hp zx-14


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I got chastised pretty good the last time I mentioned torque but I'm gonna do it again anyway lol ...

Stock ZX14r at 120 ft/lbs vs RGs H2/H2r at less than 115 ft/lbs explains a lot about why the 14 would be stronger out of the hole. Given track conditions being the same the huge horsepower difference along with the weight difference explains part of the difference in the top end. Both bikes struggled on the top, probably for traction. If they were both hooking, the 14s torque may have still won out. (Or the 14 was sand bagged in the first place)

I'm still very appreciative of what the technology will do for our beloved sport. I am still a huge Kawasaki fan. I will be the first to high five anyone that decides to buy one. But, the bang for the buck is not there for me on this one. I could spend 45k on a focus rs because I think its cool that a 4 cylinder could go that fast or I could spend 40k on a 5.0 mustang that will go faster. When it comes to my toys, you'll find me in the "bang for the buck" line every time ... IMHO the H2 just isn't it ...

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That torque equation doesn't explain why the 2011+ 10R is quicker than the H2 as well.


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I can only guess a difference of track conditions maverick. I mean, the 14r has run well into the 8s at swb and this slip is a 9.16 ... :dunno:

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Utra flyweight, trick fuel, trick bearings, ignition ramp, exotic oil, etc.. has been deeper 8s. I'm around 180 suited and have been 8.97 so that's a little more realistic from a nobody from nowhere type rider like myself. That's pump gas, lowered, flashed, and Alien Head 2 system. Last night I went back to back 9.02s @ 155+ on a slippery track. My guess is that the rider on the 14R was a fellow of much heft.


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I thought Richard Gadson Rode the 2015 ZX14R to a 9.16. He is a very light rider and awesome !! I'm sure it was the track condition. It is December !! I doubt they had a lot of people getting a good track prep and groove.

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I thought Richard Gadson Rode the 2015 ZX14R to a 9.16. He is a very light rider and awesome !! I'm sure it was the track condition. It is December !! I doubt they had a lot of people getting a good track prep and groove.

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Yes it was Rickey riding the zx14r ... All it had done was lowering links ... Stock exhaust still on it ... 9.16 on a stock bike with nothing but lowering links is fast ...


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Utra flyweight, trick fuel, trick bearings, ignition ramp, exotic oil, etc.. has been deeper 8s. I'm around 180 suited and have been 8.97 so that's a little more realistic from a nobody from nowhere type rider like myself. That's pump gas, lowered, flashed, and Alien Head 2 system. Last night I went back to back 9.02s @ 155+ on a slippery track. My guess is that the rider on the 14R was a fellow of much heft.
Rickey was riding the STOCK zx14r .. it ran 9.16 with no mods other than Rickey lower the rear of the bike ... 9.16 with no mods , no tune , no pipe is fast in my book ..


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Ahh ok that adds up a little better. Thanks for the clarification Lee. Although... Still not impressed with the H2 that's not really a H2 AND no one that owns an H2 can get the parts that made THIS H2 run the numbers that apparently an H2R COULD run at that wheelbase. I just don't understand the marketing behind this build. Maybe someone will post up TRUE H2 numbers from the track. :thumbs:


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Utra flyweight, trick fuel, trick bearings, ignition ramp, exotic oil, etc.. has been deeper 8s. I'm around 180 suited and have been 8.97 so that's a little more realistic from a nobody from nowhere type rider like myself. That's pump gas, lowered, flashed, and Alien Head 2 system. Last night I went back to back 9.02s @ 155+ on a slippery track. My guess is that the rider on the 14R was a fellow of much heft.
Rickey was riding the STOCK zx14r .. it ran 9.16 with no mods other than Rickey lower the rear of the bike ... 9.16 with no mods , no tune , no pipe is fast in my book ..


Still does not explain it pulling so good to the 1/8 then pulling lackluster mph in the 1/4. 124+ mph in the 1/8 is serious mph for a stk piped bike but 148ish is about right in the 1/4. Heck, I've pulled 147 in the 1/4 with my bike bone stk(just lowered front and rear) and me weighing 215 suited. Was 119 in the 1/8.
As far as 9.16 being fast for its lack of mods...you bet! In fact, its MUCH faster than I've ever heard of personally.

I'm with Maverick on the Hybrid. I just don't get it. No biggie though. I'm not gonna be in line to buy either one. If I had the spare coin, would I? You bet.
Guess we will have to wait even longer to see the testing we are wanting to see. For now we still have SMOKE AND MIRRORS...lol

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