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This is the start of our new build. We are trying to build the lightest, lowest ZX 1580 possible. We just got the frame back from McIntosh. The arm should be done in 2 weeks. 76" flat slick, slider, short necked, carbon on top of carbon. We think we might run Alky. I will post pics as we go as I'm sure Larry will too!


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Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:39 pm
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will be following this one for sure. look forward to the updates. Good luck with the build


Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:53 pm
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No second helpings tomorrow Steve. Is there a gym near your house ? :lol: Here is the pipe for the bike. 4.4 # Guess who designed it and who made it. LSL

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Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:17 pm
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No second helpings tomorrow Steve. Is there a gym near your house ? :lol:


Bloody tough task master, it's Christmas remember


Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:32 pm
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Well,alcohol is lighter than gasoline!LOL


Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:04 pm
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What pipe is that?


Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:18 pm
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Pipe was designed by Bob Carpenter a number of years ago. Ti fab. by Nojima Japan. No longer available. LSL


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Thought so but it threw me that it is missing the badge. I bought one couple of months ago. Works well


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Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:55 pm
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Well the parts are starting to arrive. Here is the 18" over Mac arm. Terry's work is so nice it is almost a shame to use it. I took the BST's off my street bike and got the Mickey slick and grudge Pirelli mounted. This is where the BST's really belong. Waiting for Terry to finish shortening my old Gen 1 forks and then we should have a roller. This will be a complete chassis created from parts. Steve took the engine apart and it looked pretty good, some wear on the rod bearings and the DLC was worn off the tappets. Carpenter has the head. We are installing light weight valves with flat faces and milling the head (first time) for about another point of compression. The carbon tail and tank cover are done and I should have them next week. I will post a better pic then.
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No Alky this year, want to see what it can do on gasoline. LSL


Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:29 pm
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I got that same arm, dam nice bit of work but I sure would like them wheels if you change direction :mrgreen:

Do you have a plan for the electronics yet?


Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:38 am
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OZ: Just a PCV as we had on the Blue bike. Spending all the bucks on the chassis and light weight. Hope we can convert the Gen2 MTC to a slider (new inner hub?) at minimum cost. If we go to methanol next year then a standalone ECU will be necessary. LSL


Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:59 am
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ok I see, Just thought you might set it up now ready for the meth.
So your using a gen1 trans for the clutch set up. What about one of Tim's new clutches? would they work?

Hope you have better access to parts over there than I have here for Meth comparability. I still don't think my pumps are the right ones regardless of what the suppliers say.


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More goodies :drool: Tail weighs 2.5 # Tank cover 1.# LSL

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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:41 pm
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Dam, this thing is going to be lite and look real nice


Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:25 pm
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Larry who made that carbon fiber body work and how did it fit because that catalyst shit fits like crap
How long is the tail ?
Those are some nice looking pieces :thumbs:


Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:35 pm
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Mike Maurath makes the cf parts. find him on fb


Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:33 pm
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Well we got the head back today. The valves are stock size but titanium DLC coated for less friction. Intakes are stock height, exhausts are .010 taller. With milling this raises compression from original build 16-1 to 17-1. The valve seats have been replaced with a softer material to be compatible with the Ti valves. Cams are .440 In. lift and .425 ex. With the milling, the o-ring grooves are no longer deep enough so we decided to just use studs (ARP). The chassis is now a roller and will go to Precision Chassis for a light weight rear sub-frame and front rack with fuel cell once we get the carbon fairing. (Man you have to have patience to build these things, the good people are always busy.) I realize this is an extreme build (An old man's last gasp !) but perhaps you can find things that might apply to your bike. Really it comes down to HP and weight plus an efficient clutch. LSL
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That's a piece of art right there! I'm spying some beautiful porting, it's a shame you have to cover it all up. The carbon fiber dress will make her the envy of all I'll be guessing. Good luck and thanks for keeping us informed...


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LandspeedLarry wrote:
(Man you have to have patience to build these things, the good people are always busy.) I realize this is an extreme build (An old man's last gasp !) Really it comes down to HP and weight plus an efficient clutch. LSL


there may never have been truer words said

it's starting to come together and looking good LSL, can't wait to see what Steve comes up with


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Id like to see the subframe when its done. How much are u paying for it?


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jcos wrote:
Id like to see the subframe when its done. How much are u paying for it?
It will be time and material. I have no idea how long it takes, will try to make it as simple as possible with enough support for Steve's weight and just spars for the rear with a Dzus fastener. Material will be chrome-moly or titanium depending on the weight saving vs cost. Steve will not have his wallet or keys in his pocket when he goes down the track. :lol: LSL


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LandspeedLarry wrote:
If we go to methanol next year then a standalone ECU will be necessary. LSL


Why?

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ok Larry must be time for an update on this one.


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I wish I had an update OZ. Been waiting over FOUR months for the Carbon fairing. Need that to make mounts, sub-frame etc. Motors ready, won't take that long after we get it. Cooler weather in two months, sure hope it comes together then. LSL


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oh that's no good, I was planning on changing to carbon also. I think Mike is onto the fronts now. At least I hope he is. He also does a Titanium sub frame for the rear.

Well I hope it all arrives for you soon so you can take advantage of the off season.

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I think your happy level just went up a few notches. that front is getting real close.


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Yes Oz I am happy it is done but we lost the whole season. Certainly will be ready when the track opens next year. LSL
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I know the feeling, I been waiting 5 months to get a gear reduction for my mechanical fuel pump made.

I am really glad you guys wanted the open front so I could get the closed one he Mike made at the same time, just need to get it shipped, might have it out here by Christmas with a bit of luck.

Did you go with the carbon Bars, foot pegs and mounts also? I did talk with him about a Tia subframe but we never sorted it out.


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Yes we got the tail, tank cover and pegs last March, only took two weeks. Expect to take the bike to the chassis shop beginning of Dec. I will find out then the difference between CM and Ti. Ti is half the weight but the sub-frame should be pretty simple with the only strong section under the rider. So if the CM was 8# then the Ti probably wouldn't be worth the cost. Front rack will be CM with an aluminum fuel tank. Goal is to get as close to 400# (dry) as we can. LSL


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WOW 400 is way lite, I would need to leave out the motor to get down to that. Man that thing is going to be quick.
I was told Sunday the other front in the pics was mine, today I was told all sold will need to make more. Such is life.


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This is 385lbs dry.
Foot shifting 8.2s, no shifter
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Our ZX-14R drag bike aka The Carbonator is almost done. Shop has a couple more things to do, hope to have it back in a few weeks. We ended up getting an AEM ecu & dash which will require wiring but should be lighter than the stock stuff with a Power Commander. Will post pics, can't wait. LSL


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LandspeedLarry wrote:
Our ZX-14R drag bike aka The Carbonator is almost done. Shop has a couple more things to do, hope to have it back in a few weeks. We ended up getting an AEM ecu & dash which will require wiring but should be lighter than the stock stuff with a Power Commander. Will post pics, can't wait. LSL

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Ok, here is an update on the build. The bike needs a few more things to be fabricated to be finished with the Fab work. The fuel cell, some misc brackets for fuel pump, reg, V.reg, battery tray etc. The subframe weighs 4 lbs and has a 3 position hole with an adjustable heim to adjust the rear tail to the position needed off the tire when swing arm axle and pivot is in the desired location. We also have 3 hole adjustable foot pegs, along with an adjustable megaphone height. The bike still has to be set to its ride height when we get close to finalizing it. We are waiting on the AEM CL-7 dash which is due any day. I will then plumed the fuel system. Then I will drive the bike to Ryan Schnitz racing to be have the AEM Infinity ECU and Dash wired and tuned. Here are some pics from the chassis shop today.


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KZScott wrote:
LandspeedLarry wrote:
If we go to methanol next year then a standalone ECU will be necessary. LSL


Why?



still curious as to why you think its necessary?

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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB Worlds Fastest NA Kawasaki
00 ZX-12R street stealth turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Steve it is looking fantastic, that subframe is a work of art, very well though out


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KZScott wrote:
KZScott wrote:
LandspeedLarry wrote:
If we go to methanol next year then a standalone ECU will be necessary. LSL


Why?



still curious as to why you think its necessary?


Because with a standalone the tuning abilities with fuel and ignition timing are infinite. Also with the dash we can set warning lights for almost anything. The standalone will also control the bigger I.D. Injectors better. With this standalone the bike will just be that much cleaner looking with a custom harness and a dash to let you know what's going on. Can you imagine this bike with stock gauges and a bulky ugly stock harness on it? That would ruin the look of the fine workmanship that went into this project, also doing that would be doing it half ass. We're this far with the chassis and motor, no sense stopping there. The electronics will play a very vital part of the goal. The whole point is to lose as much weight as possible and having a very professional looking machine. So its race fuel for now, then we will change to alky and remove the Rad, all hoses and the electric pump.


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I hear you and I appreciate your effort. Just wanted to point out that its not actually required to have a standalone to run alchy. sure its nice to have all the capabilities, but Ive tuned my lsr bike NA on alchy with a pc3. obviously with bigger inj and fuel pump. down low drive-ability is fine. we then tuned it to 10 psi boost using a hub and 3 bar, which was about the limit of those 4 injectors (960cc). we tuned for more boost with a secondary fueler on 4 additional inj, but thats another topic...

my point is, "regular guys" can run alchy with an upgraded fuel system and the basics for tuning. its not witchcraft :bigthumb:

keep up the good work on this project, looking forward to seeing it in action :thumbs:

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT rubber, Pump Gas NA..... turbo 8.47 @ 164
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB Worlds Fastest NA Kawasaki
00 ZX-12R street stealth turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
RCC Turbos & Color Me Gone Racing


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KZScott wrote:
I hear you and I appreciate your effort. Just wanted to point out that its not actually required to have a standalone to run alchy. sure its nice to have all the capabilities, but Ive tuned my lsr bike NA on alchy with a pc3. obviously with bigger inj and fuel pump. down low drive-ability is fine. we then tuned it to 10 psi boost using a hub and 3 bar, which was about the limit of those 4 injectors (960cc). we tuned for more boost with a secondary fueler on 4 additional inj, but thats another topic...

my point is, "regular guys" can run alchy with an upgraded fuel system and the basics for tuning. its not witchcraft :bigthumb:

keep up the good work on this project, looking forward to seeing it in action :thumbs:


Understood on being able to run alky without a standalone, but we think it would be better for our application and reasons. It just makes sense !! Thanks for your input!


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Larry / Steve, any idea on the weight yet/ I managed a big fat 483lb ready to run. 62% front 38% rear

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Hi Max: The Fab shop was supposed to weigh the bike before Steve picked it up but forgot. We won't know until it goes to the track (about a month as I am moving). Wow, you made a big improvement with your Gen2 of a Gen2. We will first start with the stock stator and then get a 600 which bolts on with a spacer. When we go to methanol we will remove the cooling system and maybe go to a remote starter. Methanol will add some HP as we have a high CR. but after that I am running out of ideas. Good Luck with yours. LSL


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Almost complete bike with fairing removed. Notice the fuel cell below seat. Fuel pump and shock reservoir are beneath rear hump.
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It's looking good Larry, moving is always a pain but some times for the best.

Whats behind changing the stator ?

Methanol will add some for sure but it has been a pain for me with post running maintenance. Mostly getting fuel pumps to live. Injector Dynamics have a range of injectors that are not affected by methanol staying in them. Pumps, lines, filters and regulators are a whole different story.

MagnaFuel pumps, filters and regulators seem to be the best so far but the pumps are heavy and use a lot of electrical power. Teflon type fuel lines are the way to go I believe.

Not sure you need any other ideas on power that thing should be very quick, Steve has a very good reputation. I would be carrying at least 50- 60 lbs in turbo and associated hardware, stock wheels and rotors , on board starter and radiator so I think you will make your weight target.

Good luck with it and looking forward to seeing how it performs.

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Aloha Steve, LSL and Ozzy. I've been watching this thread since it's inception and am now considering the Carbon fiber body for my bike. I've spoken with Mike directly and he seems like an easy enough guy to deal with. I've always loved the looks of carbon and certainly am going after it for the weight savings. My question is now that you've done it is there anything you'd change, add or subtract? I'm looking at the Dogwood racing fuel cell and seat brace. The custom rear subframe you had made looks great but can it be used with the stocker?, or does someone offer one for sale?


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Hi Rick: The bike is just being finished for wiring and then will be dynoed. Both by Ryan Schnitz. Steve should be on the track by next month. The carbon fiber is potato chip thin but well made. The fabricator did a great job custom making the subframe for support. My only complaint was the tank cover and tail took three weeks, the fairing nine months. Mike is a one man shop and you are at his mercy for building if he doesn't have it on the shelf. He was just starting to make Kawi parts and probably is much faster now. It is race quality which is not show quality. We are not going to paint it for weight and the few small blemished will be a blur at speed. The tail fits a 76" WB nicely. I would think anything close to that would be fine. The subframe was a one off so you will have to search the net (McIntosh ?) for something for your bike. Hopefully someone on here will have some ideas.
This winter I will look into engine weight, the motor is a heavy lump. Harry in Canada had a thread on how to make it lighter. A 600 rotor is lighter and can be made to work just by spacing it. I'm a big believer in light weight, even talking to Steve to eat less and he a regular size. Let us know how you do, but you and Ozzy can turn up the boost. Good Luck, LSL


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Agree with Larry, it is thin and not show finish or fit but it is pretty good. Now that Mike has done a few he may have tweaked it a bit IDK. I think he is now doing the carbon in a colour so that may be of interest to some. I just did some paint on mine to break it up a bit. Weight isn't a real issue for me as I will be adding weight to make class unless I can get 50lbs off my guts.

I made my own seat support and subframe, not beautiful but tidy and dose the job. I also made the sub frame go all the way back to support the very end of the tail. If you don't support it way back there if anyone was to lean on it or give you a push there it could be a issue.


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Gentlemen thanks for the reply's. This is the fuel cell I'm leaning towards and I'll check with him to see if he'd do a rear support also. McIntosh is a great idea as I've already done business with him for my arm and other small stuff. Being on an island I'm limited to my choice of a fab shop or equipment though I haven't explored that route yet. Thanks again for your time and help, Aloha, Rick B...


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